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> <channel><title>Comments on: Paid Links: The Battle Ain&#8217;t Over Yet</title> <atom:link href="http://unstuckdigital.com/paid-links-battle-aint-over/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://unstuckdigital.com/paid-links-battle-aint-over/</link> <description>SEO Consulting and Internet Marketing - Long Island, NY</description> <lastBuildDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 17:00:49 -0500</lastBuildDate> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4</generator> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <item><title>By: Mike Tekula</title><link>http://unstuckdigital.com/paid-links-battle-aint-over/comment-page-1/#comment-35</link> <dc:creator>Mike Tekula</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 22:44:58 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.unstuckdigital.com/?p=347#comment-35</guid> <description>It is certainly difficult to imagine that Google couldn&#039;t see this whole issue coming back in the early days.I suspect Google is already &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.unstuckdigital.com/next-generation-google-rankings/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;turning to alternative factors&lt;/a&gt; when and where they can.  They&#039;ve got enough data sources at this point to start incorporating bounce rate and other usage data into their algorithms.The problem with links as a messy signal is not exclusive to the payola issue.  One thing that &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.seomoz.org/Linkscape rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Linkscape&lt;/a&gt; really drives home is just how simplistic some link building tactics are that still help companies achieve top positions for competitive keywords - the kind of stuff that we&#039;ve all read won&#039;t help your rankings and may even get you penalized actually seems to work quite well.Rand had a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.seomoz.org/blog/seo-company-search-results-an-embarrassment-to-google-yahoo-live&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;good post&lt;/a&gt; on the topic that was blown out of proportion because he &quot;outed&quot; an SEO company.  The debate grew so heated that I think many people missed part of the point - it&#039;s worth a re-read for sure.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is certainly difficult to imagine that Google couldn&#8217;t see this whole issue coming back in the early days.</p><p>I suspect Google is already <a
href="http://www.unstuckdigital.com/next-generation-google-rankings/" rel="nofollow">turning to alternative factors</a> when and where they can.  They&#8217;ve got enough data sources at this point to start incorporating bounce rate and other usage data into their algorithms.</p><p>The problem with links as a messy signal is not exclusive to the payola issue.  One thing that <a
href="http://www.seomoz.org/Linkscape rel="nofollow">Linkscape</a> really drives home is just how simplistic some link building tactics are that still help companies achieve top positions for competitive keywords &#8211; the kind of stuff that we&#8217;ve all read won&#8217;t help your rankings and may even get you penalized actually seems to work quite well.</p><p>Rand had a <a
href="http://www.seomoz.org/blog/seo-company-search-results-an-embarrassment-to-google-yahoo-live" rel="nofollow">good post</a> on the topic that was blown out of proportion because he &#8220;outed&#8221; an SEO company.  The debate grew so heated that I think many people missed part of the point &#8211; it&#8217;s worth a re-read for sure.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Lori</title><link>http://unstuckdigital.com/paid-links-battle-aint-over/comment-page-1/#comment-34</link> <dc:creator>Lori</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 21:38:32 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.unstuckdigital.com/?p=347#comment-34</guid> <description>I find the whole thing quite funny. Basically, Google said, &quot;We&#039;re going to make links the most valuable thing on the web, but don&#039;t you dare buy or sell them!&quot; Then, they impose penalties to try and keep links as a measure of relevance and/or popularity.It&#039;s almost like they can&#039;t find anything else to build their algorithm around, so they&#039;ll go to any length to try and keep links to be the &quot;votes&quot; they once were.  That calls into question whether or not links are really the best way of determining search results.  As long as Google thinks they are, I guess we do need to play by their rules.Re: searchwiki - I did enjoy making some of my competitors disappear off the screen, but since I also know the results are only shown to me, it doesn&#039;t really help much. Do you think they will take searchwiki results in the aggregate to effect real results? For instance, if lots of people continually downgrade a certain result, that might be an indicator that it&#039;s not relevant or helpful.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find the whole thing quite funny. Basically, Google said, &#8220;We&#8217;re going to make links the most valuable thing on the web, but don&#8217;t you dare buy or sell them!&#8221; Then, they impose penalties to try and keep links as a measure of relevance and/or popularity.</p><p>It&#8217;s almost like they can&#8217;t find anything else to build their algorithm around, so they&#8217;ll go to any length to try and keep links to be the &#8220;votes&#8221; they once were.  That calls into question whether or not links are really the best way of determining search results.  As long as Google thinks they are, I guess we do need to play by their rules.</p><p>Re: searchwiki &#8211; I did enjoy making some of my competitors disappear off the screen, but since I also know the results are only shown to me, it doesn&#8217;t really help much. Do you think they will take searchwiki results in the aggregate to effect real results? For instance, if lots of people continually downgrade a certain result, that might be an indicator that it&#8217;s not relevant or helpful.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Mike Tekula</title><link>http://unstuckdigital.com/paid-links-battle-aint-over/comment-page-1/#comment-33</link> <dc:creator>Mike Tekula</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:44:20 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.unstuckdigital.com/?p=347#comment-33</guid> <description>It&#039;s certainly interesting timing in that regard.  Although I have to think that SearchWiki was in the works long before InLinks was announced and the payola issue started buzzing again.As a long-time Google user SearchWiki turns me off.  A huge part of Google&#039;s rock solid brand is due to the trust users have for the relevance of Google results.  I as an SEO know that Google&#039;s results are far from perfect - but I still use Google search on a daily basis. Even if SearchWiki isn&#039;t going to allow one user&#039;s behavior to effect another&#039;s results, the appearance is there.  I&#039;m not convinced that Google users want to see results that are ordered by the masses.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s certainly interesting timing in that regard.  Although I have to think that SearchWiki was in the works long before InLinks was announced and the payola issue started buzzing again.</p><p>As a long-time Google user SearchWiki turns me off.  A huge part of Google&#8217;s rock solid brand is due to the trust users have for the relevance of Google results.  I as an SEO know that Google&#8217;s results are far from perfect &#8211; but I still use Google search on a daily basis. Even if SearchWiki isn&#8217;t going to allow one user&#8217;s behavior to effect another&#8217;s results, the appearance is there.  I&#8217;m not convinced that Google users want to see results that are ordered by the masses.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Dawn</title><link>http://unstuckdigital.com/paid-links-battle-aint-over/comment-page-1/#comment-32</link> <dc:creator>Dawn</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:32:52 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.unstuckdigital.com/?p=347#comment-32</guid> <description>I may be WAY off on this, but I&#039;m half wondering if the whole paid link thing is what brought search wiki about. Really, Google can&#039;t win with fighting paid links - it will always happen, underground or not. So maybe they&#039;re starting to re-think their algo. Google has said that votes on &lt;a href=&quot;http://searchengineland.com/google-searchwiki-launches-15561.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;search wiki may influence rank in the future&lt;/a&gt;, perhaps they are getting ready to give the user more of a voice rather than the webmaster.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I may be WAY off on this, but I&#8217;m half wondering if the whole paid link thing is what brought search wiki about. Really, Google can&#8217;t win with fighting paid links &#8211; it will always happen, underground or not. So maybe they&#8217;re starting to re-think their algo. Google has said that votes on <a
href="http://searchengineland.com/google-searchwiki-launches-15561.php" rel="nofollow">search wiki may influence rank in the future</a>, perhaps they are getting ready to give the user more of a voice rather than the webmaster.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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